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Post by Claudia on May 9, 2016 22:47:08 GMT -5
Hey Flower,
I'm looking at your photos.
I need you to take a current photo with 2 changes.
1) Please wear similar foundation/makeup as in the first. It appears you cover lots of cute freckles. They are, however, shadowing/distracting to compare against what is coming across as nearly flawless coverage.
2) When taking this photo, please try to do so on the same plane. The camera appears to be below you in the second picture causing you to be looking down (therefore tilted as well as eyes are now cast down). Please try to take the photo straight on as in the first...
Sorry to seem picky. When you start young enough looking as you have, changes can be slight. I need clarity.
Also, please indicate the questions you felt not adequately addressed in other threads. As I do see FE Veterans answering, and no further response/questioning...
Regards,
C
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Post by Claudia on May 9, 2016 23:31:58 GMT -5
I do refrain form posting my feelings on here and don't want to sound hypercritical but on my login today (I haven't looged in a *very* long time) I noticed that the forum is merely on life support thanks to cm5597's generosity in spending time on here. I noticed that the cost of Flex Effect almost halved since I bought it, which I think is fair considering that the fabled "support" has tuned effectively into a pie in the sky. When I was training I had made repeated contact with Deb over time but despite posting pictures and sending and then re-sending them by email with a promise of a phone call - I never really got that one to one advice you still advertise - quoted form you website ================================================ FlexEffect Facialbuilding® 3rd Edition Consist of The Following: WorkShop Online Training with FIA Certified Trainers. Opened 24/7. This is a private forum for FlexEffect Facialbuilders only. This feature is a privilege not a purchase. FlexEffect WorkShop offers the only one-on-one Facialbuilding training on the Internet. No extra charge … but positively priceless! ================================================ I understand the privilege idea but somehow you are creating false hopes. If it wasn't for cm5597 this forum would be 100% dead. It is desperately sad as I know Flexeffect works but I personally need to have the human element in what ever I do. It is understood of course one needs to put in the training, but I have unknowingly created issues by simply following instructions. The all important massage DVD was requested by many but again, obviously it is not meant to be. I have run businesses too and I too understand that "life happens" but then advertising having a forum 24/7, when all it is really used for is plugging products, now that is not cool. There used to be Loli who was a godsend and I kept hoping she would come back whilst having to put up with Sean's tirades. I don't expect to see this post up on the boards unedited, but I just felt that I had to make my point. Best regards to all flexers. I have no reason to edit this post. I don't believe in changing the words of others and falsely presenting them as theirs. I too have seen that on way too many forums. I do challenge the "used for plugging products"... I assume you are speaking of the products I work with. I would say, since this is OUR site of business, there is nothing wrong plugging the products we work with. And I'd hardly say I've littered the forum with them. If you're speaking of the adds on the page, those simply come with the forum, we do not control them. With regards to the description of our workshop, I think you are right... I just talked with Deb and had her change our description of Workshop. While we intend to increase our participation, we don't intend to man this site non stop. It's always been our intention to keep our forums full of Trainers. However, Trainers are independent. They are not, nor have they ever been employees of FE. They have their own businesses, that FE compliments, and their own schedules. In the advent of FaceBook and today's more common modes of social media we find most all the forums we've participated in whether from a business or personal interest standpoint have gone the way of the dodo birds. Deb and I have been tangling back and forth about what do with the Forums. We have discussed closing the forum. However there is a wealth of info from years gone by on both this workshop and general forum. For the time being, the forums will remain. The structure will be more about Flexers engaging with each other, exchanging experiences, posting pics and offering assistance to the newbies. As stated, Deb and I will be popping in. |
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Post by tessie2016 on May 10, 2016 6:20:16 GMT -5
I didn’t realise that the trainers were independent, and thought they were staff so that makes a lot more sense now. I also get that its quite a job and so can understand its not going to be manned nonstop but I suppose I’m remembering what it used to be like and so that is a luxury.
I definitely would hope you don’t close the forums. It would be nice to hear from the more advanced flexers as to what their routines are and how they workouts have changed.
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Post by Claudia on May 10, 2016 7:35:08 GMT -5
I didn’t realise that the trainers were independent, and thought they were staff so that makes a lot more sense now. I also get that its quite a job and so can understand its not going to be manned nonstop but I suppose I’m remembering what it used to be like and so that is a luxury.
I definitely would hope you don’t close the forums. It would be nice to hear from the more advanced flexers as to what their routines are and how they workouts have changed.
From nearly 30+ years of exposure, I find Long term flexors run the routines... And/Or they focus on very specific needs. When they deviate from the "by the book" routine it's never appropriate for the newbie... why? Because they are very self aware. They know how their eyes respond, how their cheeks respond,... They know their sweet spots so to speak. In the same way an experienced body builder knows how their legs respond, their biceps. They know How often they need to switch up the Type of curl. Etc. Sometimes it's back to basics. sometimes it's very specific. Most of the time there are adjustments outside of FE. To deal with natural aging. loss of hormones, illness, excess stress from life's curveballs. So simply, they stick to the basics... No excitement there. Or they self tailor , which is right for them because of all the variables in their life they have accounted for. |
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Post by flower on May 10, 2016 8:34:11 GMT -5
Here's my newest picture: s1382.photobucket.com/user/FlowerXXXY/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160510_145501_zpsbmc1rj9z.jpg.html?filters[user]=144321185&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0I don't really know if it is so different from the previous one, though... And I don't understand why the freckles where not visibile, then...Maybe the light was soft er as it was winter. I always wear the same foundation cream, which is not very covering... These were my questions, from my first post: I was also thinking of introducing some of the advanced exercises, starting with Cross Stretching. I was thinking of starting CS on Saturday (horizontal one week, vertical the next one), after the exercises, then take my 2 days off So, now that I am at the 6 months mark, I would like the help of the trainers…. Can you see any progresses/worsening? Should I keep more attention to some exercises in particular? How could I go on, with the basic and with the advanced exercises? I will add that English is not my first language, so I might not express myself as I would do in my own language and I apologize for this. I am just worried about worsening my situation without being aware of it and without other people making me notice it. I feel so insicure in this field... I also would not mind to have some kind of one-to-one training on the long term, for helping me in my journey. You or your training could offert some sort of packages, not only Skype... I cannot Skype for now, for many different reasons.... Thank you for your patience and your time! |
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Post by Deb on May 10, 2016 14:41:15 GMT -5
Hi Flower,
Below I will go over each of your questions:
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Q I was also thinking of introducing some of the advanced exercises, starting with Cross Stretching. I was thinking of starting CS on Saturday (horizontal one week, vertical the next one), after the exercises, then take my 2 days off
This sounds perfectly fine
Q So, now that I am at the 6 months mark, I would like the help of the trainers….
All of our Veteran Trainers would have a wealth of training tips and information for you so please continue to ask for help.
Q Can you see any progresses/worsening?
What is important is what do YOU see? … you have the real deal in front of you. Your before pic. showed a porcelain looking well structured face… no sag nothing. Your ‘6 month after’ showed a deepening of the lines to side of your mouth (Parentheses / Smile lines) this should be your main target.
Q Should I keep more attention to some exercises in particular?
Again, yes … work the corners of the mouth ( Smile lines) To have these lines at your age (when not smiling) says it could always be a problem (your genetics with facial expression) You should have no problem fixing it… and ALWAYS keeping up with it. MY problem has always been the 11’s I’ve never been able to stop frowning …. Take a look at my forehead photos…(no 11's) It takes work on my part bigtime! Please look-up Target Training in your book. You will find ALL the exercises that will affect that area.
Q How could I go on, with the basic and with the advanced exercises?
With 6 months already behind you IT’S TIME for Advance Training period. However advanced exercises may be to aggressive for some areas... YOUR CALL
I also would not mind to have some kind of one-to-one training on the long term, for helping me in my journey. You or your training could offer some sort of packages, not only Skype... I cannot Skype for now, for many different reasons....
You might want to ask the FIA Trainers...those found on 'Class Location' if they would have any other way of training someone other than in person or Skype… since you are in another country the only thing I could think of is possibly emailing back and forth.
Train on Girl!
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Post by cm5597 on May 10, 2016 15:11:48 GMT -5
Flower: Here's what I see: EYES: * Upper eyelid more open * Lower lids more raised and toned * No visible progress on the area between your eyelash line and eyebrows * Eyebrows slightly more raised in the middle arch area FOREHEAD * Too difficult to tell whether there are differences. The lighting and/or makeup is so good in the "before" photo, that it's difficult to make a fair comparison. LIPS * The bow of the upper lip is more lifted * No changes in fullness * Smile lines around corners of lips are more pronounced. There is some issue that needs to be worked on here. CHEEKS * I don't see large changes here, perhaps they are slightly thinner in the after photos, but it's a little hard for me to tell due to the differences in shading JAWLINE * Looks slightly tighter NECK * Looks fuller and stronger Which exercises are you confident that you are doing well and which ones are you still unsure of at this point? Let's make sure that you have no technique issues first. I hope this helps!  |
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Post by cm5597 on May 10, 2016 15:16:15 GMT -5
Tessie: Are you TheresaMary? Did you didn't a Skype session with the trainers in the past, or train with Sean? Do you suggestions for Flower that could help her? |
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Post by tessie2016 on May 11, 2016 4:07:05 GMT -5
Tessie: Are you TheresaMary? Did you didn't a Skype session with the trainers in the past, or train with Sean? Do you suggestions for Flower that could help her? Yes I am TheresaMary on other forums - not sure why you are mentioning this? I'm very concerned why you are mentioning who I have had sessions - I thought sessions were confidential.
The sessions were done quite some time ago, and whilst they were useful I have been doing facial exercises for a long time and so have always adapted things to suit my own requirements. I have had sessions with many people, Carole Maggio, Marion Pearce, Elaine Bartlett and will continue to do so as new techniques are always being developed. I am even contemplating going to Loulou classes too which she teaches.
I don't have any suggestions for Flower, but I am very different from Flower in that I started in my 50's. Have been through MP. So my circumstances re probably very different to her. She looks lovely in her photos and has wonderful looking skin but I think she is looking for a trained persons opinion rather than the average joes opinion.
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Post by tessie2016 on May 11, 2016 4:10:27 GMT -5
Q Should I keep more attention to some exercises in particular?
Again, yes … work the corners of the mouth ( Smile lines) To have these lines at your age (when not smiling) says it could always be a problem (your genetics with facial expression) You should have no problem fixing it… and ALWAYS keeping up with it. MY problem has always been the 11’s I’ve never been able to stop frowning …. Take a look at my forehead photos…(no 11's) It takes work on my part bigtime! Please look-up Target Training in your book. You will find ALL the exercises that will affect that area.
Deb could you share what you mean when you say it takes work on your part – your forehead always looks unlined to me and I’m curious to know what it is that you do to get a better understanding. Is it a case of doing target training more reps or longer counts or something else? |
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Post by flower on May 11, 2016 6:47:32 GMT -5
First of all, I really thank you all for your time, I really appreciated! And Deb, you are such an inspiration for me!
You all just confirmed my suspects… I need to work on NL’s (and 11’s and question lines, too).
The lines that I had before starting FE seemed to have worsened a little bit. I had noticed that when I exercise my lines get deeper, especially the NL’s, so I have tried to spread the exercise throughout the day.
I am aware that I am a frowner, too, but I am not much of a laugher! Also, the lines are fainter in the morning and deeper in the evening. I have just remembered that I took the December picture in the morning, while the last ones were taken in the afternoon….
I have rosacea flare-ups on and off on the chin area and my upper right lip is prone to herpes, so I must be very careful in manipulating those areas. I need to find a way to increase the massage in NL’s areas without causing any flare-ups. That’s a challenge!
As for the exercises, because of the rosacea in the last month I have been avoiding 22.Chin Lift – 23. Triangular (A,B) (I only do the tonic exercise once or twice a week); for 24.Furrow Lift I only do A, as B makes my skin react and for 21 Lower Lip Curl I alternate only A and C as B also makes my skin react.
I do 6.Upper Lid Lift grasping the eyelids, not the skin, otherwise my skin reacts with a dermatitis…
In general, when I do the B versions my skin gets slightly irritated just for the pressing.
Guess what? I have a very sensitive skin…
As for feeling the muscles working, there isn’t a specific exercise that I remember where I clearly feel the muscle is weaker. Nonetheless I will pay more attention and write it down immediately of I clearly feel something needs to be addressed.
In general it seems to me that my eyes look less tired and puffy throughout the day. The pictures did not show this, though. And my cheeks do seem a little thinner, but this does not bother me, for now.
I look slightly different after a week of As, Bs or Cs, but I wouldn’t know how to explain the differences and I don’t think they could be caught by a picture, but I will try to. I think I look better after C, then B, then A. The mouth area seems to be more natural after C, more monkeyish after B.
I read again the Target Traning part in the book.
I now do 3 reps for 6 secs each, 5 days a week (Mon-Fri) (avoiding 22/23AB, 24B, 21B).
From what I understand my target zone should be Forehead and Mouth. In particular for the Mouth: 14.Upper Lip Curl 12 Canine 18 Mouth flex 21 Lower lip curl, 28 Lip press 31.Risorius Pull.
Is this correct? With all their variations when present?
But what is 28 lip Press? I don't find it in the book....
Then, what could I do as Target training?
Just focusing more on those exercises that are specific for NL’s and 11’s? It wouldn't be enough, I guess, as I am already focusing in them...
Doing 5 reps or holding for 10 seconds or doing faster reps just for those exercises?
So, not sure about how to implement your suggestion, Deb…
I thank you all again for your time!
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Post by tessie2016 on May 11, 2016 8:30:19 GMT -5
I think Cathy used to get cold sores (herpes) too and had some good tips somewhere. It may be worthwhile PMing her as I do remember reading a post of hers where she went into detail but can’t find it now.
For me, I always thought I’d had NLs as my mother had them, and her mother and I kind of thought I’d just always have them too yet when I started 3rd edition me and a group of others on EDS were just playing with things and we did the cross stretching technique using the dvd. We hadn’t read the book so were doing it daily for about 3 weeks. We all loved how it felt etc and were seeing results. However it was my hubby who mentioned to me one morning at breakfast that my NLs were a lot less than normal. At first I thought he was crazy (but of course ran to the mirror to look) and noticed that they were no where near as deep as they usually were. It was with gusto that I continued doing it and I am happy to say that when I no longer smile my nls aren’t there now. Yet when I smile they appear briefly. So I’m also curious as to what Deb/Claudia would suggest. At one point I thought it might be caused by the muscle outline of the zygomaticus major – and so when I smile as that muscle engages the edge would become visible but also curious as to see if there is anything that can be done so the line isn’t visible when smiling?
The Lip Press is one of the older exercises, where you roll the lips over the teeth and bite down side to side. I think it is now under isotonic exercises.
Am hoping Deb will expand upon her idea as I am curious too!
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Post by flower on May 11, 2016 8:43:04 GMT -5
I think Cathy used to get cold sores (herpes) too and had some good tips somewhere. It may be worthwhile PMing her as I do remember reading a post of hers where she went into detail but can’t find it now.
I will PM her, thanks!
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Post by cm5597 on May 11, 2016 9:40:18 GMT -5
Tessie: Are you TheresaMary? Did you didn't a Skype session with the trainers in the past, or train with Sean? Do you suggestions for Flower that could help her? Yes I am TheresaMary on other forums - not sure why you are mentioning this? I'm very concerned why you are mentioning who I have had sessions - I thought sessions were confidential.
The sessions were done quite some time ago, and whilst they were useful I have been doing facial exercises for a long time and so have always adapted things to suit my own requirements. I have had sessions with many people, Carole Maggio, Marion Pearce, Elaine Bartlett and will continue to do so as new techniques are always being developed. I am even contemplating going to Loulou classes too which she teaches.
I don't have any suggestions for Flower, but I am very different from Flower in that I started in my 50's. Have been through MP. So my circumstances re probably very different to her. She looks lovely in her photos and has wonderful looking skin but I think she is looking for a trained persons opinion rather than the average joes opinion.
Hey TheresaMary, Okay, I thought I recognized you and your title line says "TheresaMary" Just wanted to make sure it was the same TheresaMary. For the sessions, you mentioned them publicly on the forums, so I only mentioned something that you said publicly yourself. It was years ago. Anyhow, my point is that I thought you might have some helpful advice for Flower on how that worked out, in what ways it was helpful, how you recommend approaching it, etc. That's all! |
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Post by Deb on May 11, 2016 14:51:04 GMT -5
Q Should I keep more attention to some exercises in particular?
Again, yes … work the corners of the mouth ( Smile lines) To have these lines at your age (when not smiling) says it could always be a problem (your genetics with facial expression) You should have no problem fixing it… and ALWAYS keeping up with it. MY problem has always been the 11’s I’ve never been able to stop frowning …. Take a look at my forehead photos…(no 11's) It takes work on my part bigtime! Please look-up Target Training in your book. You will find ALL the exercises that will affect that area.
Deb could you share what you mean when you say it takes work on your part – your forehead always looks unlined to me and I’m curious to know what it is that you do to get a better understanding. Is it a case of doing target training more reps or longer counts or something else?
"Work on your part" = Never let up the training in this area... even when it looks good!
"Is it a case of doing target training more reps or longer counts or something else?"
Not reps, not counts just forceful training. How many times I do it has more to do with how much I can tolerate 
My favorites are BRIDGE LIFT (I use my palm) and BONE MODELING (pressure rep). This brings about SERIOUS pressure in both exercises. They not only work the muscle and the supporting bone but challenges the skin to the MAX.
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